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hello what's up everybody

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it is friday fridays are cool

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because um if you're an alcoholic you

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can go to the bar really late it's not

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weird

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you know and you can stay there forever

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um i'm not

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so i don't do that but friday's pretty

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cool depending on your work schedule

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here

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um it's the last day

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uh for our shows as you know we are

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monday through friday

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and yes i'm starting a little early here

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what's up

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arrow how are you uh disclosure team

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what's up brother how are you doing

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uh limits of perception that looks

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pretty cool

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i think i blocked that person yeah

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um the video girl loves that what's up

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how you doing kicking ass i hope

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uh we have a great show in store for you

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today we have dave

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partridge um from shadows of your mind

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magazine

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um and boy does he do a good job with

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that

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um first of all it's loaded with content

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and it looks it looks to me

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like you know people and writers and

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should still be doing their

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uh releases that way that that would

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look

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really sweet because i still felt like i

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was like crap

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still felt like i was reading a magazine

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um

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so that was pretty pretty dece pretty

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decent and

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but he incorporates like um

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you know like links and stuff too so

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it's pretty neat so you can still have a

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link and click on somebody and

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it takes you somewhere else so was there

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an earthquake no

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so you know no big deal it's friday yep

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so um yeah i'm super excited you guys

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are joining us

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um on this wonderful friday

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so we have

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some cool things that we can do today

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voodoo kitchen mama what's up hello from

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and oh yeah there it is no there was not

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an earthquake yeah

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i've experienced one earthquake at like

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four in the morning it was super weak

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i was sleeping on the air mattress at

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the time so i just felt like

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the room was unvibrated a little bit

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what's up trisha all right so let's get

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i am witness citizen

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witness citizen

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yeah so that's my plan for today i'm

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just gonna keep playing all the

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different uh

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you know um cool little clips like that

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i got today

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but uh in the meantime we're going to

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talk to the one

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the only day partridge

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what's up brother hey shawn you're right

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you're right yeah i'm good how are you

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yeah good good um i bet you're

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relaxing a little bit after putting down

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that beast of a magazine

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no we're in the region of the heatwave

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so um

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so you know

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it's freezing for you guys probably if

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you were over here

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yeah um man i don't know who's got the

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echo

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so i don't know i don't hear it

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but i'm not gonna deny that one exists

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because this same thing happened

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yesterday

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oh it was mr dave okay echo gone

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they say so i'm not sure

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but you brits are always coming over

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here and bringing echo with you

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it's with gringo rocco would be no rain

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you know what would you prefer you just

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want to screw me somehow don't you

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[Laughter]

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yeah graham told me the little tricks

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they're my pet peeves yeah take your

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echo with you and

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see what sean does here you take it

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yeah um yeah so

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it's really hot over there so i don't

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expect you to be in a great mood but

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if we can get through this

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you know i'm miserable when i'm not i

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just broken so much

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oh nice sweet um so yeah you have a what

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was like your

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favorite is it hard to pick a favorite

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part of

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an entire magazine when you have so much

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going on

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yeah at the end yeah okay so this is

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enthusiastic nice um

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i don't know it depends on the issue

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yeah obviously it takes a lot of

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planning

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while i'm working on the current issue

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so it kind of

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it all overlaps into one and i can't

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usually decide

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you know which i do have favorite

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um i mean for example in this last issue

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i guess the led zeppelin

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curse was a good one yeah and the um

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the interview with kitschy duncan as

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well was a paranormal investigator she

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was um

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she was great fun to talk to yeah see

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that one i didn't get to yet

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because there's so much um

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yeah i got done with about four of them

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article on calvin that's a great one

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um and then i was really intrigued by

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uh swan stuff so that lady who

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i forgot what her name was deborah katz

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yes debra cats so

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she actually um when swann passed away

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uh his records went to the university of

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georgia

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and she just so happened to get a

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scholarship to the university of georgia

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as that happened correctly yeah she

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spent

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um she was doing a psychology phd which

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i believe she's

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not long finished um really

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but yeah no she's remote viewer herself

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she runs the

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international school of clairvoyance

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cool and she's a

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director on the board of uh irva the

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international remote viewing association

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and yeah she was doing as soon as she

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didn't know that the archives would be

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right it was just synchronicity almost

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pretty much but as soon as she did she

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like beat a path down to the

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to the dean's office and said let me

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work on them let me work on them

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um and you actually spent the first and

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she was on a three-year course she spent

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the first 18 months

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in curiosity and not actually

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um probably not cataloging them as she

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following um months they gave her an

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office um

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so she could just you know go through

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them

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you know and she could as often as she

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wanted and for as long as she wanted and

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she found out some really good stuff

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about it

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so it was really good to hear about you

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know what she found about ingo swan the

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man

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rather than kind of what we know

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from um stanford research institute

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project scott stargate

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um and obviously anyone who knows

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english one has probably got

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penetration you know whether you've got

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the standard edition or you've got the

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extended version which includes

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um some of his um material

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on jupiter and mars yeah where he

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supposedly remote viewed

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a civilization on mars going back

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billions of years which

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um faced like a cataclysm um

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wiped out now whether they came here

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relocated you know that's always been

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one of the theories

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about where you know where the ancient

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gods of sumer

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came from the annunaki you know whether

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they we had to relocate from mars

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because it just

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totally destroyed the planet uh pretty

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much as we're doing now

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yeah you can stay very calmly

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you know like we're doing yeah and they

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did it on a greater

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technological scale because they had

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more advanced um

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technology so the say the theories go

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anyway

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right and that was a voodoo kitchen

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mama's asking who is doing the remote

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viewing that was

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yeah english one was doing it um

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he set it up

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with um another guy no that was the

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jupiter once

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i think yeah yeah sorry i just

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referenced

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the article as well because it's like

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you said it's a lot to take in

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even if you're just reading it yeah um

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but yeah working on it as well you kind

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of you're reading the same thing over

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for um a couple of weeks

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a couple of months yeah it's just

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yeah uh that's a lot of reading

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like listening to my you know if i'm

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making songs or whatever

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i add them to myself so i do have to

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over and over again and

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yeah by the end of it i wonder if it's

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the same for you actually

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i just lose almost all perspective

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days of recording music as well

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so you you know you record something but

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you've been playing it for the past

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six months or wherever but you're sick

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of it right by any time you actually

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record it

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yeah so sorry if my uh volume is doing

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different stuff i'm just like

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fixing things here so but yeah that's

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it's kind of frustrating because at

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i'm like a do-it-yourself type of person

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on everything

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yeah and when you hit that place it's

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you have to either take a long break or

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pass it to somebody else

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you know yeah i wish i could pass it to

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someone else but there's no one else

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[Laughter]

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no one's interested and if there was

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someone else would you want to pass it

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to someone

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yeah i'm quite precious about the mag

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when it comes to it

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yeah um totally you know so when

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i miss things you know as soon as it's

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published i always go back and read it

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and go i missed that bit missed that bit

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yeah um so i re-uploaded like four or

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five times

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after he's gone up anyway just to uh

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small little corrections here and there

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yeah oh there's a comma

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yeah oh well uh yeah that that

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it was neat and then you spoke to david

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marlar which is pretty cool because he

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on this um a show talking about

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the same the same kind of thing what is

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um

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how he's trying to digitize all these

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documents that he got

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which is an amazing project in those

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pictures that are

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in the magazine that you have which is

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by the way shadows of your mind magazine

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everybody go check it out

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it the link is in the description um but

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it really puts it

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there's a lot of weight in those

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pictures you know because there's so

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many documents and file cabinets

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and we take that for granted because

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it's all just on a computer screen now

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yeah and it's just insane the amount of

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paperwork that he actually has

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and how much he's have gonna have to

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digitize because he's got all the

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nightcap files

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which was uh major donald keyhouse

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that's all that's important

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so that's going back to the 1950s

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and then you have all the kufos files

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which in which was

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set up by jl and heineck in 1973 in

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chicago so that's the center for ufo

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studies

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and and david martin's got all those

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files now as well so he's got

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um hinex original notes um

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on some of the blue book files as well

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he's got a little you know blue book

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files

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records with annotations from higher

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neck

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um so you see it's not the standard

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blue book um documents

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you also have heineken saying uh

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actually

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therefore should have investigated this

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it wasn't a balloon

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it wasn't something that's that kind of

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thing says as historical documents go

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moving forward these are going to be

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really important for researchers

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um and the good thing about it as well

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is david marlo's always insisted that

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he's just the curator of this material

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he's

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going to digitize them it's going to

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make them freely available

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rather than stick them on the cd and

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charge for them and send them out

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you know or um have a subscription

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service it's going to make it free

341
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for people too it's amazing access it i

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mean

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it's great it's so much work that goes

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into that and then just uh

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yeah give it away like that or make it

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accessible that's amazing

347
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yeah it's amazing it's a testament to

348
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the kind of guy that david muller is

349
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he's very humble he's very genuine

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um and you know he just wants this

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information out there

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and he thinks it should be preserved

353
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because it is part of our historical

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record

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no it's not the curio it's um

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you know it's actual documentation from

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the

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governments military got eyewitness

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statements and he's also got the

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nightcap audio files

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right um so we used and those were on

362
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reel-to-reel

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tapes so he's having to take those he's

364
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got a real-to-real machine and he's

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digitizing all those as well into audio

366
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you know that is your audio files so you

367
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have to be really careful with that too

368
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i tried recording on like just a real

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real

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at a estate sale

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that if you do not do that i mean that

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tape will just snap

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on you know that is

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that it that's a tedious task so you

375
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know when people think about it i hope

376
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they realize how much work goes

377
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into that actually that is a lot of work

378
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so it is uh but the great thing about it

379
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is he's got the audio files to match up

380
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with the icap

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paperwork right um so you'll have your

382
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witness statements on paper and then you

383
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can go and listen to them

384
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you know in in situ and in real time so

385
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that's going to be

386
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um really good oh my god that was really

387
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cool

388
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he's also documented like micro fish and

389
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um

390
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:19,680
news clippings as well so the this is

391
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going to be the biggest ufo library

392
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:25,759
in the world you know when it's done

393
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for him oh yeah absolutely and

394
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he's kind of asked the university of

395
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nevada or

396
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nevada no sorry the union what am i

397
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thinking

398
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no the university of new mexico will be

399
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taking on the documents

400
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in the event of his death he's already

401
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arranged all that legally

402
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:52,000
um so they will be preserved after he's

403
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:53,199
gone or you know

404
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:54,560
god forbid that's not going to be for

405
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,120
another or so years so

406
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,880
yeah you know at least there's going to

407
00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:00,639
be a home for all this but he said the

408
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,079
number of files that

409
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,600
were lost um due to ufo researchers

410
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,280
dying and then

411
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,280
the wife or the family of that person

412
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just threw them in the trash will burn

413
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:12,160
them because

414
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,240
you know this research had obviously

415
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,319
taken over someone's life

416
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:18,880
um to the detriment of their personal

417
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:19,760
family

418
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:23,199
relationships yeah so you know what do

419
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,160
they do they just

420
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throw it all in the trash and who knows

421
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,000
what you know what we could have found

422
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:29,600
out

423
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i think was it him that told me a story

424
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:32,799
where

425
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,799
there were some documents in a garage

426
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:36,240
and the guy was selling the house or

427
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:37,679
something

428
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,520
don't know keep them whatever

429
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,600
and they were all like high next

430
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,600
handwritten notes or something like that

431
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:46,640
i don't know

432
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:49,120
there's some story like that where it

433
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,720
was pretty impressive like

434
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,919
you know you just never know what you're

435
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:54,080
sitting on you know basically

436
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,640
exactly um they just say shout out to

437
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:57,840
scott brown or somebody who's in the

438
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:58,559
chat

439
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,919
yeah it's good let's go um and also part

440
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:03,360
of that feature as well was olaf

441
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,240
rockness

442
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:07,280
um fantastic art that he

443
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,960
graciously provided for the uh front

444
00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:11,039
cover as well you know

445
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,919
we had this idea just to collaborate on

446
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:15,120
something i knew that there was going to

447
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,679
be

448
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,840
um i was speaking today so i thought all

449
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,120
right we have this

450
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:21,919
image of supposed image of a triangle

451
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:23,039
coming out of the ocean

452
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,400
that's supposedly going around the

453
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,320
intelligence community which

454
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,880
whether we'll see the light of day um

455
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,840
well whether

456
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,280
it will see the light of day we don't

457
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,280
know um so i just thought you know

458
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,000
take that get the front of it destroyer

459
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,600
um and just have these triangles coming

460
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:38,880
out of the ocean and

461
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:42,080
the glow that's on the cover as well

462
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:45,760
that's supposed to represent kind of

463
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:49,039
what david favor said about the uss

464
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:50,559
limits of something bubbling under the

465
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,520
water

466
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,720
right um that the two tanks were

467
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:54,080
interacting with so i thought add that

468
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,960
in and

469
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,760
you know just give it a nice little nice

470
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,039
little extra touch

471
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,120
but yeah i mean olaf did fantastic work

472
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,120
for that image

473
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:05,520
yeah i want to actually bring it up for

474
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:07,919
for folks here

475
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,160
um because it is pretty cool

476
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,120
and if all we have to do is just share a

477
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:16,559
screen

478
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:20,799
we should do that or i should i mean

479
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:24,640
you can help but okay

480
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:28,240
yeah so there it is you got it

481
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,160
yeah this is oh yeah we got to get to

482
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,919
that the zeppelin curse let's not forget

483
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,280
to talk about that

484
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,360
um the zeppelin curse dive into the

485
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:39,440
occult

486
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,799
the ingo swan archive oh yep there's

487
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,559
scott brown he's in the chat what's up

488
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,240
scott

489
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:48,320
uh dave marlar we just talked about that

490
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:49,600
yeah this is so cool

491
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:53,120
nice i love uh

492
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,799
i love the triangles that is awesome

493
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,799
i wonder if david marlar uh got a kick

494
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:00,720
out of that or not

495
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:04,080
i get he did yeah

496
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,000
that's awesome um so yes scott brown was

497
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:09,600
actually on your

498
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:13,039
on in the magazine too and you know what

499
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,480
i appreciate about scott

500
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:18,240
is especially right now with all the

501
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:18,960
different

502
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,600
um ways like planes and satellites can

503
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:25,679
be made to look like

504
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,799
uh glowing orbs you know with cell

505
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:29,919
phones and stuff

506
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,280
like he does a really good job at

507
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,600
debunking that stuff and i think that's

508
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,520
going to become more important

509
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,840
as this topic gets more popular and

510
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,559
people are looking up to the sky

511
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,320
um i know when i first did i got

512
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,760
confused a couple times

513
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:47,360
you know where i thought maybe i saw

514
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,720
something and it turned out it was not

515
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,000
you know um yeah yes

516
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,760
guys as well because we've had like

517
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,039
clear skies every night

518
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,320
over here for the past week or so and

519
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,640
you know people are seeing starlink they

520
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,240
are seeing the iss and seeing other

521
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,280
satellites and

522
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,520
um you know saturn's coming into

523
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,200
opposition so that's becoming brighter

524
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,039
in the sky as well and people just

525
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,480
unfamiliar with what's above them yeah

526
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,000
um and that's been a problem for the

527
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,679
past you know five or ten years

528
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,440
everyone's on the phone looking

529
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:20,799
downwards yeah

530
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:24,159
um instead of looking up so you know

531
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,070
keep your eyes off the skies please we

532
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,600
got a lot of activity going on up there

533
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,520
but yeah that's exactly right even when

534
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:37,520
i'm outside like um

535
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:40,240
having a cigarette or whatever like why

536
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:41,120
am i look

537
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:44,960
doing it you know like

538
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,280
making a habit of saying just leave that

539
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,440
leave it just go outside wait why are

540
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,799
you looking at your phone that heavens

541
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,080
above

542
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:56,960
or star tracker instead of just looking

543
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,440
yeah

544
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,600
and i think about like i don't feel like

545
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:01,039
i haven't seen anything in a while

546
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,240
because there was a

547
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:05,120
while when i was seeing something i

548
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,600
don't know

549
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,480
frequently as opposed to you know how

550
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,120
often everyone else does i guess

551
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,240
um but then it i haven't seen anything

552
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,720
in a long time and i'm thinking about it

553
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,919
and i'm like

554
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,240
while i'm outside i'm thinking about it

555
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,640
and i'm looking at my phone

556
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,840
i'm like well no crap i'm okay looking

557
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:26,799
at this thing

558
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,320
and yeah it's just too bad like um

559
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,880
you know with everything great like in

560
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:34,640
technology like phones

561
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:38,960
i feel like um the the

562
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:43,280
downside is as powerful as the upside

563
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,520
you know yeah yeah definitely

564
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:50,559
right the thing about scott as well

565
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:54,880
you know he recreated a fake ufo photo

566
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,559
uh for a website um you know a few years

567
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,760
back

568
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,679
and he thought nothing else of it the

569
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,840
website really really liked it and stuck

570
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,559
it on their

571
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,000
front page or whatever and then a few

572
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,679
years later

573
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,640
he found that photo being used elsewhere

574
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:11,679
with a completely

575
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,720
fictitious story about a paper boy

576
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,559
who had apparently snapped it on his

577
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,280
round one morning and then

578
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:22,000
you know it kind of went viral oh my god

579
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,039
um

580
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,840
but you know he talks about this in

581
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:27,600
american cosmic as well the

582
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,750
and it's just it just shows that

583
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:38,159
you could just produce anything in

584
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,440
photoshop

585
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,480
say it's real and it it's just got the

586
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:44,080
legs to go around the world a few times

587
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,640
before

588
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,559
you know anyone actually finds out that

589
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,400
it's fake

590
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,240
but he's work with in the field and the

591
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,840
people he works with out in the field

592
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:53,600
you know they're doing some great work

593
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,279
um debunking some photos which need to

594
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,559
be debunked

595
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,080
um like the reflections of car

596
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:02,000
dashboards sure

597
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,720
the spaceship likes listening to 98.7

598
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:14,159
[Laughter]

599
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,590
you know if you're taking a photo out of

600
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,360
a window and you think you're saying

601
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,919
that ufo

602
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,600
is really the reflection of the uh light

603
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:27,919
shade behind you

604
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,250
that's always a good one which

605
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:31,600
[Laughter]

606
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:35,279
you're so dry dude like i think i'm dry

607
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,000
but you are

608
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,200
way more dry and it's it

609
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,799
now i know what it's like when people

610
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,320
say to me sometimes i never know if

611
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:43,919
you're serious or not

612
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,200
you know and yeah i

613
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,400
i get it now because you're just deadpan

614
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,240
and yeah yeah and then you throw it in

615
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:53,679
there and you're like if you're not

616
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,270
listening like

617
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,480
[Laughter]

618
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,919
i'm not the kind of person just to add a

619
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,360
little wink at the end of the statement

620
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,440
either

621
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:05,200
just to make sure i want to see how much

622
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,480
like people pick up on them

623
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,120
[Laughter]

624
00:25:14,650 --> 00:25:12,400
it's pretty good i blame my opinion

625
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,660
yeah me too i blame that too

626
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:16,960
[Laughter]

627
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:21,360
um um yes the zeppelin curse

628
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,039
so that is interesting um

629
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,440
yeah talk about that how did how did you

630
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,600
stumble upon that piece and that author

631
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,190
i honestly can't remember um

632
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,149
it's a good story it is a good story and

633
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,159
i think i was looking for

634
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,600
a birthday present from my old man

635
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:47,520
because he's a big zepplin fan

636
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,880
and i just saw the book on amazon so

637
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,159
actually you know i might buy that for

638
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,520
myself and see what it's all about

639
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,559
because i used to

640
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,919
i don't know if i mentioned before but i

641
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,679
used to work on um

642
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,600
total guitar magazine in the uk first

643
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,880
six years right

644
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,840
um so we were always you know covering

645
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,640
led zeppelin

646
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,640
and heavy metal and new metal and

647
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,480
classic rock and all that kind of

648
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,440
stuff so i'm heavily into it anyway but

649
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,640
yeah i read the book

650
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,880
and just reached out to the author lance

651
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:17,279
gilbert who lives in new zealand

652
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,600
um i said can we talk about this

653
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,640
actually i think it may have been bolsk

654
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,159
in house

655
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,400
um the place in scholar which jimmy page

656
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,279
owned

657
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,919
um that may have been another way that i

658
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,760
fell into it as well

659
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,520
uh yeah i feel like a lot of that is

660
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,360
definitely unknown so for

661
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,960
for people who are listening now we're

662
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:40,880
talking about a book

663
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,320
written about um led zeppelin and

664
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,480
i don't know i guess a curse but you

665
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,120
know jimmy more about jimmy page's

666
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,880
interests in

667
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,080
yes in the occult yeah it's no secret

668
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,360
that jimmy page

669
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,799
um definitely has an interest in

670
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,960
alistair crowley's work um that's

671
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,200
something that he said before

672
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,440
in interviews and that's something as

673
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:09,039
well then because he has a large amount

674
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,360
of

675
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,120
crowded memorabilia and buying bolsky in

676
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,000
the house which um alice the crowley

677
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,640
boston house is situated uh on the

678
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,240
shores of loch ness

679
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,360
in scotland huh um and crowley bought it

680
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,640
because he thought there was some

681
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,320
kind of power up there some energy that

682
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:26,320
he could use that would help him during

683
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:30,399
his magic um through the whole

684
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,279
kind of phase um and so jimmy page was

685
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,960
he met this guy this filmmaker called

686
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,720
kenneth anger at a

687
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,880
um an auction that sotheby's i think it

688
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,159
was sotheby's

689
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,360
um a big auction house in london about

690
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,840
alice crowley memorabilia or mr

691
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:49,279
crowley's books or manuscripts something

692
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,000
like that and

693
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,200
obviously jimmy page at that time um

694
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,559
19 early 17 is 73 um

695
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,760
he was obviously quite minted due to the

696
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:02,000
success of led zeppelin one and two

697
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,159
yeah um so he managed to outbid

698
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,240
well don't manage to end but he did open

699
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,919
kenneth anger for this stuff and

700
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,600
this guy kenny thing who's known as a

701
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,240
hothead in the film industry anyway

702
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,480
if he didn't like people he made sure

703
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,200
that they knew he didn't like them

704
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,880
you know he's kind of just like people

705
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,640
like them yeah

706
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,159
you know he's probably small man

707
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:25,520
syndrome that kind of thing you know

708
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:25,919
he's

709
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:30,000
more money than him as jimmy

710
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,630
he ended up striking the friendship with

711
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,799
paige for a bit um

712
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,559
because of their you know mutual

713
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,880
interest in aleister crowley

714
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,240
and he ended up asking paige to

715
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,440
um contribute uh some music

716
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,360
to a film he was writing called lucifer

717
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,720
rising right

718
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,799
um basically gentleman's agreement shook

719
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,720
hands on it um

720
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,240
you know and that's kind of the british

721
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,399
way of doing it anyway she's crushing

722
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,950
yeah but a gentleman's man a gentleman's

723
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,080
word is his bond

724
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,159
that kind of thing at least that's what

725
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:12,799
kenny fanga thought

726
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:19,830
so paige has got boskin house

727
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,360
he's agreed to write his music and

728
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:26,080
he paige has guests staying frequently

729
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,039
at the house

730
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,399
i mean he didn't spend too much time

731
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,919
there himself but he has guests there

732
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,440
and they complaining of

733
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,760
um bumps in the night paranormal

734
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:34,960
activity

735
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:38,480
they just don't like the place yeah um

736
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,399
so one of the reasons one of the um

737
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:44,880
kind of mysteries of the place is the

738
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:45,440
head

739
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,120
of um lord

740
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,399
um oh right right it's like that you

741
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,559
hear it rolling around still

742
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,799
i mean the guy he was the last person to

743
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,200
be um

744
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,480
just trying to find his name yes

745
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,679
the last guy to be executed uh have his

746
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,720
head chopped off in the tower of london

747
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,360
um but he's had his head rolling through

748
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,600
the halls of boston house

749
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,520
you know like eight hundred seven eight

750
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,720
hundred miles away from

751
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:19,760
tower london sets um

752
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,880
mental city yeah obviously

753
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,039
or maybe there just used to be a bowling

754
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,559
alley and a lot of people died there

755
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,320
once

756
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,760
the famous uh yeah the tempting massacre

757
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,799
of yeah crazy

758
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,559
that's right yeah that's a good story

759
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,320
yeah so we got kenny's anger to kind of

760
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,360
do an exorcism

761
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,880
on that on the place you know can you

762
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,559
help me out i've got some

763
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,200
podcast activity or haunting uh i need

764
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:46,399
someone just to give a place of

765
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,200
cleansing

766
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,399
mm-hmm um did that

767
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,200
but he was supposed to have rented the

768
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:54,480
place before

769
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,760
paige had bought it um right

770
00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:00,080
because he was obsessed with crowley too

771
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:01,039
obviously so

772
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,399
he wanted to kind of channel some of

773
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:04,080
that energy into the magic that he was

774
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:04,880
doing

775
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,080
and the uh rituals that he wanted to do

776
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,679
but the curse itself stems from paige

777
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:14,159
not fulfilling that agreement to do the

778
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,279
music for the film

779
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,320
thank you um

780
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,559
it's not confirmed whether there was a

781
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:21,440
curse or not

782
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,360
oh sure um just it just coincided with a

783
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,120
lot of bad [\h__\h] admin to led zeppelin

784
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,480
through the mid 70s

785
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:31,679
um until john bonham's death in the 80s

786
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,799
yeah one of the biggest things you know

787
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,320
most of it involved robert plant

788
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,640
as well unfortunately so it kind of

789
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:40,799
feels like he wore the brunt

790
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:43,919
of kenneth anger's anger

791
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,440
towards jimmy page because what he

792
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,519
like um you almost died in a car

793
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:51,360
accident or something right

794
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,039
yeah he had um you know broken bones

795
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,679
um he nearly lost his life basically

796
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,279
insulted his wife

797
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,799
and then two years later he lost his

798
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,880
five-year-old son to a stomach infection

799
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,279
that's right that is so sad yeah and

800
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,960
then

801
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,039
you know after led zeppelin iv and

802
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,240
houses of holy

803
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
the influence of blood sapling kind of

804
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,279
starts to wane

805
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,279
and their creativity as well starts to

806
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:18,640
go downhill

807
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,389
yeah physical graffiti yeah

808
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:31,669
there's been a lot of dumb songs but

809
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,510
that one yeah that's right

810
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:35,120
[Laughter]

811
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:39,919
but it's it's a great book because

812
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,279
at no point does um landscape would say

813
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,120
it's definitely because of the curse you

814
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,720
know it's always speculation because

815
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,120
jimmy page has been consistently quiet

816
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,600
about his involvement in the occult and

817
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:52,799
his

818
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,000
um affiliation or

819
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,799
his interest in aleister crowley and you

820
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,159
know the work that he was supposed to

821
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,080
have done with kenneth anger so it's

822
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,840
you know i just wanted to throw it in

823
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,600
that because it was interesting to me

824
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,760
and i like to put articles in the

825
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,120
magazine that are interesting to me

826
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:10,799
first and foremost

827
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,840
um you know if people

828
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,399
pitch an article to me then you know

829
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,760
i'll read it and

830
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,159
if i like it then yeah it goes in um

831
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,760
there are very few

832
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,200
there's probably only a couple that i

833
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,399
haven't put in that people have

834
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,679
submitted

835
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,519
um just because it wasn't the right time

836
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,320
for whatever they were to go in

837
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,440
yeah generally it's um you know i prefer

838
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,480
speaking to people and doing the

839
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,159
interviews

840
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,360
but when people provide

841
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,840
articles themselves um for me to include

842
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,440
them that helps

843
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,720
greatly because that cuts down my

844
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:47,440
workload as well so i can go on with

845
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,840
other stuff like um planning the next

846
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,430
and you do one a month right no

847
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:00,000
way the last one last two issues have

848
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,120
taken three months

849
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,919
to do each month okay um it's supposed

850
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,120
to be every couple of months

851
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,120
i mean bizarrely the next issue might be

852
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,960
out um

853
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,480
in about three or four weeks time well

854
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,280
probably in about three weeks time

855
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,599
um but that depends on whether i get an

856
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,359
interview with

857
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,800
someone or not because it's kind of time

858
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,800
sensitive so if i get the interview then

859
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,599
it has to go in

860
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,240
if i don't then i can take my time for a

861
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,270
uh well whatever you do just make sure

862
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,200
you stress out plenty about it

863
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,480
so always no

864
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,560
i i think that's a it's a great magazine

865
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,240
man you're doing such a great job with

866
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,359
that too

867
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,879
um it's unique it's full of great

868
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,000
material

869
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,159
in different categories that's that's

870
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,520
why i do like

871
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,839
that you wrote about that zeppelin curse

872
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,720
um

873
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,679
you know although you know i can't say

874
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,359
if there's really a curse or not

875
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:58,880
you know taking 40 shots of whiskey

876
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,320
you know seems like your choice but

877
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,960
but you know what i mean yeah but i

878
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:07,520
included a link to a video

879
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:11,280
of jimmy cho i was going to say to me

880
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,320
church

881
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,640
jimmy page doing the ritual during his

882
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,000
led zeppelin

883
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,640
yeah he you caught into the four corners

884
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,520
he knows when he um

885
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,640
what song was it song was that and the

886
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,560
documentary song remains the same by

887
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,720
chance yeah

888
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,760
with the bow and stuff yeah i mean

889
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,920
dazed and confused yeah i mean if ever

890
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:35,200
there was a song to do with ritual

891
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,160
beforehand yeah

892
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,359
dazed and confused is a freaking psycho

893
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,520
just like really great at music and

894
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:43,280
wants to take advantage of it and

895
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,000
like my name and place with a limbo

896
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,079
come on i mean they actually made like

897
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,440
an oboe after that

898
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,240
or uh like uh electric tool that you can

899
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:56,079
play on the guitar strings that sounds

900
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,119
like that

901
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,160
afterwards yeah but um

902
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:03,280
he was a huge that band was a huge

903
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,119
inspiration in a huge part of my life

904
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,839
um from high school um transitioning

905
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:12,880
from who i was

906
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:17,200
which was sports kid and then to

907
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,720
uh pot smoking musician basically

908
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,680
[Laughter]

909
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,160
and listening to them but listening to

910
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:25,680
them on headphones

911
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,920
at that age like imagining myself

912
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,480
with them on stage like at night with my

913
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,760
eyes closed like being moved emotionally

914
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,640
like those were the first major

915
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,400
experiences i've ever had

916
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,520
you know and it's obviously molded my

917
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:44,640
life

918
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,839
you know yeah horrible stuff

919
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,079
i mean from led zeppelin three onwards

920
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,359
is where paige has basically

921
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,880
brought um occult influence into

922
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,400
zeppelin's music and

923
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,400
you know what they were doing i mean you

924
00:37:03,750 --> 00:36:59,920
he had um

925
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:03,760
crowley quotes um inscribed on the

926
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:06,880
um black groups of led zeppelin iii

927
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,040
on the vinyl great and um

928
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:13,119
to be it was on one side and do what

929
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,079
their wealth

930
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,720
on the other yeah i mean there's a you

931
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,480
know anyone who knows anything about

932
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,440
crowley knows those two phrases

933
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,160
yeah but then he has the symbols from

934
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,880
led zeppelin

935
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,760
iv as well i mean paige made up his own

936
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,400
supposedly although it is based on

937
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:34,240
um i think a symbol from a mathematical

938
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,119
book or a

939
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,440
hermetic book from you know medieval

940
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,320
times

941
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,839
and he asked the other band members to

942
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:41,920
create symbols as well just to give them

943
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:45,040
a unique identity and you know led

944
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,839
zeppelin iv

945
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:48,000
is considered the greatest album ever

946
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,880
made

947
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:51,920
yeah you know in most quarters

948
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,280
um in stairway to heaven obviously

949
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,320
you know how many times of has that been

950
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:00,880
at the top or in the top two of any

951
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,000
spot chart or rock and roll

952
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,359
a whole lot of love like

953
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,079
um three i was just listening to three

954
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,520
in preparation for this uh

955
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,960
interview and uh

956
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,599
i forgot how much i love uh this song

957
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,359
they didn't write it of course but since

958
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,680
i've been loving you

959
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,240
yeah love that love that guitar solo

960
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:26,320
that chill vibe and everything

961
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,119
um so you mind talking ufos

962
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,920
yeah supposed to be shitty should we we

963
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:40,310
it's the basis of the mag so might as

964
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,820
well

965
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,320
[Laughter]

966
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:45,440
oh before before we transition one of

967
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,240
the symbols

968
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,520
uh uh john bonham made one of the

969
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:52,560
head like three rings or something not

970
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:53,520
for him

971
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,720
and there's a rumor that he just picked

972
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,839
it because it looked like a drum kit

973
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,839
yeah pretty much i mean with john bonham

974
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,720
who knows

975
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,119
he was high or drunk or you know

976
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,880
whatever most of the time

977
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:09,359
but him and the best drummer ever that's

978
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:10,000
for sure

979
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,599
yeah but him and keith moon from the who

980
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,520
you know you get those two together in

981
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,359
the room and forget it

982
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,280
you want to be as far away from those

983
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,790
yeah it's kind of like uh lennon and

984
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:28,320
harry nilsson when they'd hang out

985
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,160
um yeah so they're

986
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,280
with the ufo stuff well actually what i

987
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,359
wanted to do before we get into that

988
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,680
and you know because we were talking

989
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,280
about your magazine in

990
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,839
swan and remote viewing i thought that

991
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,040
would be a great

992
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,839
segue for something i've been doing

993
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,040
lately which is called

994
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,829
ladies and gentlemen the document of the

995
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:56,480
day

996
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,560
[Music]

997
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:06,240
yeah yeah it's the dark of the day

998
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:10,640
yeah yeah

999
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:12,810
it's the dark of the day

1000
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,390
document of the day

1001
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,230
yeah so i do a little thing called doc

1002
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:25,920
of the day

1003
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,520
um i'm pretty sure a lot of people

1004
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,720
um just come here and watch for me to

1005
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,280
play that

1006
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,400
song because they like it a lot um

1007
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:39,359
the document i swear i just like oh yeah

1008
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:39,839
i hear

1009
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,850
this and this okay that was fun right

1010
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,520
[Laughter]

1011
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,520
but it's the song that's the favorite

1012
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,119
part so this one

1013
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:49,440
um for today i thought would be a great

1014
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,560
talk of the day

1015
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,599
um project sun streak um

1016
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,920
it's we've talked about this on this

1017
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,119
show before

1018
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,240
it's a remote viewing program uh

1019
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,440
that our government was running here

1020
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,640
and i actually showed the whole project

1021
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,319
paper of it last time

1022
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,520
so this time i thought it'd be

1023
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,240
interesting just for people to see

1024
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:15,119
typically how these uh individual

1025
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:15,760
sessions

1026
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,359
kind of work out um you can see here

1027
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,280
they put the mission

1028
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,160
um this swamp was the site and i think

1029
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:25,599
there's something up with that

1030
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:29,520
swamp too um maybe ufo related

1031
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,720
i'm not sure um yeah okay they use

1032
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,640
hershey's chocolate factory and all that

1033
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,480
and they give their marks there

1034
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,520
captain usa um that's blacked out wonder

1035
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,910
so yeah and i just go through this quick

1036
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:49,520
here

1037
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:53,280
may 26 1988

1038
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,829
after i was born that was well after i

1039
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:02,720
was born

1040
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,280
no you were born in 98 right

1041
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,200
and then here's one of the drawings and

1042
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,079
so these notes that you see

1043
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:15,680
uh not you i'm talking to like people

1044
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,400
watching

1045
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,240
you i'm sure you know but um

1046
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,710
and when they're doing their remote

1047
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,040
viewing they just

1048
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,880
write this stuff down and do drawings

1049
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,400
and stuff and

1050
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,720
um and then somehow it matches up i

1051
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:34,000
don't know how that works but it's

1052
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,200
pretty amazing

1053
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,240
yes um and i suppose in

1054
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,160
issue 8 i had an interview with tracy

1055
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:46,069
richard dolan's wife uh she's a remote

1056
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,119
viewer as well and she

1057
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,480
gave me you know i was able to talk to

1058
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,280
her about

1059
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,680
her processes and her experience

1060
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,680
roommate and she gave me some images on

1061
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:58,000
to um uh

1062
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,319
some images of her actual notes from

1063
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,960
you know her sessions and yeah you can

1064
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,240
see like the sketches

1065
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,680
and it's you know just the little

1066
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,960
markers and

1067
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:13,760
one of the ones that she did was the end

1068
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,720
result was the roman colosseum

1069
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,920
um i wouldn't see him in rome um

1070
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,640
and she'd actually drawn a birthday cake

1071
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,520
because she could

1072
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,079
feel she could see the layers you know

1073
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,720
the different layers of the colosseum

1074
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,400
um and she thought the archie said

1075
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,440
that's hard word like birthday candles

1076
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,560
so it's just really weird how that

1077
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,319
removes work so i can't get my head

1078
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,280
around it

1079
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,400
because it's yeah almost like just a

1080
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,520
identical shape yeah

1081
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,920
yeah when you see her picture side you

1082
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,240
know next to the um actual photo that

1083
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,240
was in the envelope or the photo that

1084
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,720
used yeah it's

1085
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,200
almost identical crazy it's crazy i

1086
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,760
tried it once

1087
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,920
with my wife i was like babe put a

1088
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,800
picture in

1089
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:05,359
in this thing write a number on it okay

1090
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,920
she's like

1091
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,640
a number what number any number just

1092
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:14,230
all right let me try and then i you know

1093
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,359
do my thing and

1094
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:18,480
she shows me what it is and

1095
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,760
i got red bright there was red

1096
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,160
that's about it but i know it takes a

1097
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,440
lot of practice and

1098
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,520
just like everything else it's not like

1099
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,440
um and bill and teddy say dude what

1100
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,720
number am i thinking of

1101
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,160
yeah and i you know

1102
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:39,280
what i liked about that uh article too

1103
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:43,119
um about the ingo swan stuff

1104
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,750
you you know she talked a little bit on

1105
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,200
different procedures and way to

1106
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,000
to do it as well like yeah um having

1107
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,079
somebody go outside or go somewhere

1108
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,200
while you try to you know kind of percep

1109
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,440
use your perception through them somehow

1110
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,880
which is interesting

1111
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,000
yeah but i feel like that's pretty cool

1112
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:08,319
but then ingo swan was he the first one

1113
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:09,200
to prove that

1114
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,359
um you didn't need to use telepathy

1115
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:16,319
remote viewing um i'm not sure if you

1116
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:16,720
can

1117
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,119
prove that either way but he was um

1118
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,200
he kind of instigated the coordinator

1119
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,319
remote viewing

1120
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,359
so you know you realize you didn't have

1121
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,520
to have someone else in the room

1122
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:32,000
and the same time that someone was

1123
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,040
having a session

1124
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,800
yes that's a good story and then the

1125
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,720
researchers were giving them a bunch of

1126
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,480
crap and he almost quit

1127
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,599
yeah yeah he almost quit many times

1128
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:43,280
mostly over how much he was being paid

1129
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,390
russell targ releasing um these books

1130
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:53,599
and these reports

1131
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,200
and these papers um based on ingo swan's

1132
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,319
work

1133
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,079
yeah which they were directors of the

1134
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,760
stanford research institute anyway the

1135
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,560
um

1136
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,400
well at least to remove the inside of it

1137
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,760
and he

1138
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,920
always felt that they were getting the

1139
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,839
credit for what he was doing

1140
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,400
um so it's kind of you know you would

1141
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,760
you get pissed off when you

1142
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,800
you know you're doing all the work and

1143
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,040
someone else is taking the credit sure

1144
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,560
getting all the accolades so you know

1145
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,760
you nearly quit many times

1146
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,480
yeah um that's frustrating we all go

1147
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,079
through that in life don't we where we

1148
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,079
work so hard to put out something

1149
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,079
and somebody grabs it and steps in front

1150
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,829
well thanks for all the hard work really

1151
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,119
appreciate that

1152
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:40,160
um you're welcome that i did this get

1153
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,880
out of here

1154
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,119
yeah someone once tried to credit um

1155
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,040
well tried to claim that they

1156
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:49,119
um were responsible for me starting on

1157
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:49,680
the mad

1158
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:53,119
but that was i shot him there very

1159
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:53,920
quickly

1160
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:56,670
yeah what a troll idiot

1161
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:05,910
screw that person all right um

1162
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,280
well what do you think i was anything

1163
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,040
else you want to touch on anything else

1164
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,319
you want to talk about

1165
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,960
um i suppose i could give you a couple

1166
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,520
of hints

1167
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,920
to the next issue that'd be great uh if

1168
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,200
you've got a couple minutes

1169
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,480
um i've started doing interviews for

1170
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:25,599
the women of ufo research

1171
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:29,200
um because you know with ufo research

1172
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,000
being

1173
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,440
95 white males

1174
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,680
um you know we don't give enough

1175
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,280
appreciation or acknowledgement

1176
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,319
to female researchers sure but this is

1177
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,960
something i have never seen in any

1178
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,280
magazine or in any podcast before it's

1179
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:46,480
just

1180
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,549
people who you are today people like uh

1181
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:54,160
christina gomez

1182
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:58,000
uh kyle uh my earlier i spoke to katie

1183
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,960
grabowski he

1184
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,480
is director of mufon colorado

1185
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,319
um chase kolecki obviously she's in

1186
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:06,720
there um anna witty

1187
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,510
you know a few others which you know i'm

1188
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,359
going to speak to speak to them

1189
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,280
i've given them an or given them a list

1190
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,880
of questions and yeah it's just going to

1191
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,079
be a massive feature

1192
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,960
celebrating great um the women the ufo

1193
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,720
research because

1194
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,119
well just because you know they they

1195
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,480
don't get the acknowledgement

1196
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,960
and they're just as valuable you know we

1197
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,480
shouldn't be treating

1198
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,880
researchers as male and female we should

1199
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,440
everybody's ufo research

1200
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,559
so it's a chance for people to realize

1201
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,920
this

1202
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,920
and see the great work that is being

1203
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:45,440
done

1204
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:48,880
you know by women in the ufo field

1205
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:55,829
you know just the dusty old

1206
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,200
misogynistic or yeah

1207
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,040
just something different well just a

1208
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:03,440
different perspective women are smarter

1209
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,800
so actually you know the more the more

1210
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,160
the merrier

1211
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,680
i think uh you know

1212
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:13,599
yeah you can't stereotype everybody

1213
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,720
obviously but yeah

1214
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,359
i'll be looking at um you know women in

1215
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,880
the ufo history as well so there'd be

1216
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:20,160
coral lorenzo

1217
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,720
now and susan shepard uh

1218
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,440
mary what well there's there's gonna be

1219
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,280
you know a good fair number of

1220
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:31,200
people in that article so it's gonna be

1221
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,480
cool

1222
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,880
um i've got la marzulli talking about

1223
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,359
giants

1224
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,480
um and the cover-up by the smithsonian

1225
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,000
of

1226
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,599
giant skeletons which have been found

1227
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,680
which coincide with me

1228
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,520
um a lot of giant skeletons were found

1229
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,359
on catalina island

1230
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,880
oh so yeah just just to add a little bit

1231
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,960
more mystery to the whole

1232
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:57,440
wow you know the whole channel island

1233
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,000
thing that's

1234
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,359
um yeah they were once with giants

1235
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,760
um we got jason hewlett as well who

1236
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,200
wrote a book recently with

1237
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,599
um a paranormal investigator called

1238
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,040
peter graham

1239
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,480
and so we're talking paranormal

1240
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,920
investigations again but from a

1241
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,800
different

1242
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,480
duncan

1243
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,400
did in this issue so it's yeah it's

1244
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,839
going to be a good one

1245
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:22,319
yeah cool like i said if i get this time

1246
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,440
sensitive interview

1247
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,480
sorted out they're all confirmed then

1248
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,640
it'll be out before august the 9th if

1249
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,000
not then

1250
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,720
it'll be out probably the week later

1251
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:34,079
because we have an extra week to work on

1252
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:35,119
it

1253
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,640
wants to be published

1254
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,440
um i can't force it and there's no point

1255
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,040
in me sticking to deadlines because

1256
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,319
like regularly anyway

1257
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:01,200
it's like losing your alarm right yeah i

1258
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,240
just say

1259
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,200
it it calls to me when it wants to be

1260
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:06,839
worked on

1261
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,559
um or screams to me because

1262
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,599
as you read on your backside

1263
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:16,160
get it out you know the people need it

1264
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:16,720
yeah

1265
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:20,240
happens

1266
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,240
you know i that's beautiful actually

1267
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,079
that's a great way to put um

1268
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,680
you know you could say your own

1269
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,200
inspiration right

1270
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:34,160
now it works for you yeah because we're

1271
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:34,880
just

1272
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,630
but if you force if you force stuff it

1273
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:44,480
it never

1274
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,079
ever ever works you know

1275
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,720
it's when it's naturally born in an

1276
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:52,400
organic state

1277
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,760
and it comes as it comes um

1278
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:58,319
and you trust that process that's when

1279
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,280
it's really good

1280
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,200
but that's the hard part is trusting

1281
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:03,520
that process because once you

1282
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,599
decide to lean on that as the way

1283
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,800
i mean sometimes well at least me i i

1284
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,640
when i would first do that i'd be afraid

1285
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,000
like well i don't you know

1286
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:15,280
does that mean i'm just never going to

1287
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,880
write again you know how to but it comes

1288
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,160
you know it does come um and there's a

1289
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,680
weird difference between

1290
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,400
doing it that way and okay it's tuesday

1291
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:28,480
eight to five i work on music today

1292
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:43,109
that's almost you know almost crowley

1293
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,839
asking itself

1294
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,520
yeah yeah

1295
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,680
don't bring any of that satanic junk in

1296
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,670
oh yeah no that's awesome i'm proud of

1297
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,760
you man you're doing such a great job

1298
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,599
really good work cheers yeah i

1299
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,359
appreciate it i appreciate everyone who

1300
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:04,240
you know reads it and comments and you

1301
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,280
know it's

1302
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,119
it's just nice that it's out there and

1303
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,280
i'm contributing something

1304
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,680
yeah to the ufo community you know it's

1305
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:12,400
yeah

1306
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,390
or something man like you're putting 88

1307
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,599
some pages

1308
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:24,640
into this thing and they're all

1309
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,000
um you know curated beautifully um

1310
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,640
that's a lot of great material in one

1311
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,839
single issue

1312
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,640
that's awesome man when it first started

1313
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,559
it was like 48 pages

1314
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,160
yeah and then

1315
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,960
you know issue six the one that i that

1316
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,040
nearly pushed me over the edge that was

1317
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,240
96 pages oh that's a book

1318
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:50,480
yeah and then i come back and do one

1319
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,440
this you know

1320
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:54,160
the relaunch issue last last july that

1321
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,040
was seven

1322
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,280
uh there was something like 80 pages and

1323
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,800
then the following two

1324
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,400
like over 100 pages and i just thought

1325
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,589
i don't need to be putting out a triple

1326
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,760
digit yeah

1327
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,920
magazine every two months you're lucky

1328
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,520
you're not printing that bad boy you'd

1329
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,990
you're right i think i could charge more

1330
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,280
for more pages

1331
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,160
yeah that's true yeah yeah oh the real

1332
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,520
weighty kind too

1333
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,640
yeah or just be sensible and

1334
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,480
keep a couple of the articles over for

1335
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:27,920
the next issue

1336
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,549
whatever are you like this to where

1337
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,319
whatever the latest thing it is that

1338
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,280
you're working on

1339
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,319
is like not your maybe even your

1340
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,480
favorite or your focus

1341
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,160
you know and you have to get it on that

1342
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,240
magazine before you release it or

1343
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,119
whatever i'm always like that like you

1344
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,799
know i'm kind of finished with an album

1345
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,079
or whatever i write a song

1346
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,920
i'd like it so much and now i have to

1347
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,119
rearrange everything to fit it on there

1348
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,119
yeah and it kind of causes more chaos

1349
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,480
than anything but yeah

1350
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,799
i i have had a habit recently of doing

1351
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:03,920
last many interviews

1352
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,079
so i need to stamp that out

1353
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:11,040
yeah but you know when you get down to

1354
00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:11,680
it right

1355
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,030
just do without wilt

1356
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,280
[Laughter]

1357
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,079
and we'll leave on that before uh yeah

1358
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,359
before we start spinning upside down

1359
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,839
yeah no that won't happen uh at least me

1360
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,839
i'm a musician so i'll just

1361
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,000
turn into jimmy page hopefully i've

1362
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,599
tried to sell my soul to be a

1363
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,319
rock star it didn't work so maybe it's a

1364
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:35,920
long time i don't know

1365
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,799
i think keith richards had the last one

1366
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,440
uh

1367
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,359
yeah yeah he's still alive isn't he

1368
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,119
somehow yeah

1369
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,319
he's always animated

1370
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,520
he's like the most unhealthy

1371
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,920
rock star of the whole group and he's

1372
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,119
still uh

1373
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,359
i mean well you because he was born as

1374
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,240
well

1375
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,960
yeah unfortunately we lost lemmy a

1376
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,160
couple of years ago

1377
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:03,440
yeah yeah i don't know if osbia

1378
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:06,170
osborne is considered alive though

1379
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,870
and that though yeah you know we just

1380
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:17,280
killed off aussie

1381
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:22,240
all right okay all right no more okay

1382
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:29,510
yeah so i mean that's all i got really

1383
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:33,440
um we're approaching the hour we could

1384
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,040
do you have anywhere to go um i

1385
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:40,559
do unfortunately yeah oh okay fine

1386
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,829
all right i've wandered into an irish

1387
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,160
park

1388
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:01,040
hey my name's sean don't forget all

1389
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:01,760
right

1390
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,040
well i appreciate you coming by man

1391
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:07,599
yes again man for having me on um and

1392
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,079
yeah

1393
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,240
final thought on tom de long um

1394
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:13,760
you say watch this space and watch out

1395
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:17,280
for his film coming out in october

1396
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:20,799
wow no he's he's directing the film

1397
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,359
monster california obviously so um

1398
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,920
yeah for more by all accounts it's going

1399
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,280
to be uh

1400
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,319
pretty good yeah i would imagine

1401
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,119
thanks for letting me know that in

1402
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,440
october that's awesome

1403
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,480
i appreciate it yeah i think there might

1404
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,319
be a trader around somewhere but

1405
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,040
oh really oh cool possibly is it on

1406
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,910
uh no idea yeah google it on youtube

1407
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:51,680
you'd have to cut a lot of material out

1408
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:54,100
to make that do an interesting movie

1409
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,920
[Laughter]

1410
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,520
i think that's the next one he's working

1411
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:01,680
on okay like the whole first death of

1412
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:02,160
the book

1413
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,480
almost just it's a great book i like it

1414
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,480
all right dave thanks for watching all

1415
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:10,960
right see you speak to you soon

1416
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,079
cheers all right that was

1417
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,520
dave shadows of your mind uh magazine

1418
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:21,119
it is um

1419
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,960
two o'clock central standard time

1420
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,000
um yeah

1421
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,559
speaking of musicians um i can tell you

1422
00:58:35,860 --> 00:58:32,880
what i think of tom delong

1423
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,870
tom delong so he's kind of um

1424
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,720
[Music]

1425
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,520
you know people say he's kind of missing

1426
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:42,319
in action

1427
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,549
now i think when people go quiet that

1428
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,040
just means they're working hard

1429
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:54,400
because you can't really do both at the

1430
00:59:01,349 --> 00:59:01,030
um and tom so the thing about tom and i

1431
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:01,359
think

1432
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,640
and i was listening to somewhere in the

1433
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,480
skies in their podcast on

1434
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,480
that covered a lot of time to long in

1435
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,000
general mcaster

1436
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,510
and this is brook the way tom has

1437
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,119
written emails and has

1438
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:18,799
done interviews he has basically

1439
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,400
social socially engineered his way

1440
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,200
with these big shots into this plan by

1441
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,880
saying hey i've talked to this guy i

1442
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,240
talked to this guy but

1443
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,839
he didn't really talk to them he just

1444
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,920
met him you know and then he's using

1445
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,599
their name to further

1446
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,599
what he wants to do he's admitted that

1447
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,880
and that's what he's done

1448
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:39,280
as far as this goes and you look at his

1449
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,000
band

1450
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:43,520
and i know um a lot about

1451
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,040
the um banned um

1452
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:50,319
business on a smaller scale but to get

1453
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,200
to where he

1454
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,160
is you cannot do that without being that

1455
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,240
same type of social

1456
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,640
um butterfly type of person with a

1457
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,559
charisma hat

1458
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,960
you know i'm sorry but the best bands

1459
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400
don't make it to the top

1460
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,119
it's the bands with the best sales guys

1461
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,559
that make it to the top

1462
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:11,599
and tom is one of those he is uh

1463
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,200
fantastic his music's fine too

1464
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,680
it's good i guess well what i liked in

1465
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,520
high school but not so much anymore

1466
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,920
but um and that's just blank i don't

1467
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,079
know anything about angels

1468
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,280
but so you can tell that

1469
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,480
um i guess the moral the

1470
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,559
the real point is he he's slick he knows

1471
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,040
what he's talking about he's intelligent

1472
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:38,559
and he's not going to i would assume

1473
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:39,280
he's not going to

1474
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,559
get to this point and be able to do

1475
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,240
something impactful and not

1476
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,640
do something impactful we just started

1477
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,720
movies coming out in october

1478
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:51,280
um i'm pretty actually excited about

1479
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:51,920
that

1480
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:56,480
um he writes everything in fiction

1481
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:59,359
have fiction not everything but some of

1482
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,240
his stuff is that

1483
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,799
fiction have truth that part i don't

1484
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,799
know if i necessarily agree with because

1485
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,720
it just muddies the waters more

1486
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,799
i wish there could be more clarity on

1487
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:09,839
what's

1488
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:13,119
real and what isn't um

1489
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,040
but that's not my choice either way

1490
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,359
you can't really not saying anyone is

1491
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,720
but you can't judge somebody without

1492
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:22,240
really knowing them and the intent

1493
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,520
behind their actions

1494
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:26,079
which we all seem to do all the time and

1495
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,880
and

1496
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,119
doing that with tom is not unique to

1497
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:30,720
doing that with some

1498
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,890
but i think we could um

1499
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,640
[Music]

1500
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,960
you know give him the benefit of the

1501
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:38,799
doubt i guess

1502
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,920
because we have never been this far in a

1503
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:43,680
disclosure process

1504
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,799
and you could say um at least as far as

1505
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,680
we know

1506
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,319
he is really really responsible for

1507
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,799
starting us off on that process

1508
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,359
so whether he i don't like the way he

1509
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:56,799
tweets

1510
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,319
it's very divisive um but you know i

1511
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,799
really don't have to like that i'm not

1512
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:05,520
going to like everything about everyone

1513
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,640
so i can accept that in exchange for all

1514
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,160
the hard work he did to get us to where

1515
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:16,150
um but i think he does have a lot to

1516
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:16,559
offer

1517
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,000
so hopefully um

1518
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,240
keeps with the creative side and stuff

1519
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,599
because i think that's going to be the

1520
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:25,039
thing that really

1521
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,829
gets things going

1522
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,230
so yeah i

1523
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,160
yeah exactly isn't that true it's like

1524
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,319
kind of in the middle

1525
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,520
not punk or rock enough for me um

1526
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:46,079
punk i i never really got down to punk

1527
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:46,720
it

1528
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,200
out

1529
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:02,240
oh thanks dude

1530
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,880
um by the way i'm getting off of here

1531
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:05,440
and

1532
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:09,039
oh thanks roger um share like subscribe

1533
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,319
all that fun stuff this is

1534
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,400
these are the new digs um let me know

1535
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:13,760
what you think

1536
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,039
um i moved everything from my office

1537
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:20,079
uh to here so um

1538
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:23,440
it's just more flexible so i hope

1539
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:26,720
everything is still looking good for you

1540
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,680
though

1541
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,160
um yeah but i'm headed over to instagram

1542
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,520
to hop on and be live with uh vinnie

1543
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,640
um from disclosure team so if you

1544
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,520
are interested in that come check it out

1545
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,079
um and see us talk over there

1546
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,960
thanks megan i appreciate it um

1547
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,240
appreciate you saying

1548
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:49,119
no no it's not because i did that it's

1549
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:50,799
funny though that you would think yeah

1550
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:54,319
i mean it lines up pretty perfect but no

1551
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:03,510
actually it's just more flexible you

1552
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,480
know it's my home so

1553
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,400
all right peace out come find me on

1554
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,559
instagram um

1555
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,359
yeah so next week i don't have any

1556
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:14,960
guests lined up as of yet

1557
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,599
and you know what we do then we do docs

1558
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:19,680
of the day and we do what the heck was

1559
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:20,400
that

1560
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:23,680
and um take calls i'm looking

1561
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:27,440
very forward to that so

1562
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,349
i will set the culture what's that

1563
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,319
uh what do we get next sunday or the

1564
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:40,000
sunday after new york times will publish

1565
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:41,520
an article leslie keane has been sitting

1566
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,200
in for almost five years admiral wilson

1567
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:47,920
memo it's been authenticated yeah well

1568
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,150
um i'm telling you the watch committee

1569
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,160
in those documents is a real committee

1570
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,480
and to know that exists you have to be

1571
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,520
in the know because no one knew that

1572
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:05,119
that really existed

1573
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:08,640
even mr george nat so that is a real

1574
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,039
thing

1575
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,200
and it is in those documents until that

1576
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:13,440
can be explained

1577
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:18,079
um i am very open to those being real

1578
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,079
so that's for sure

1579
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,280
um yeah

1580
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:27,200
and there's like a lady mentioned in

1581
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,559
there too

1582
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,640
is like talk to her or something or

1583
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:32,799
whatever but she is really

1584
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,880
she was really hard to find and

1585
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,440
authenticate as being in that role

1586
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,359
it's not like you just go to the website

1587
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:41,039
government website and there she is pick

1588
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,079
your choice

1589
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,400
you have to dig to find that name which

1590
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,079
i had to do

1591
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:48,880
like so if somebody's doing this as a

1592
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:49,760
hoax

1593
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,079
it is so well thought out and so

1594
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,799
perfect that it's almost impossible to

1595
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:58,720
tell it's a hoax

1596
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,400
so i'm very open to it being real

1597
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,039
although it's just gonna have to be one

1598
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:06,960
of those things because it means

1599
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:10,559
so much the implications are so wild

1600
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,599
you have to wait on actual

1601
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:16,000
actual proof whether it's testimony from

1602
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:16,960
wilson

1603
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,000
or like you know a literal video of him

1604
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,400
saying this stuff or something um

1605
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,920
because he just can't mess around with

1606
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,720
something that's

1607
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:26,880
that big of a deal it's got to be all

1608
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:29,839
the way or nothing you know

1609
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,119
so all right yo

1610
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,960
uh but seth yeah thanks for coming

1611
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,400
thanks for coming megan

1612
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,480
everybody else greg voodoo kitchen mama

1613
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,240
would you skywatch if uh

1614
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,799
guitar me jay if i missed you i

1615
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,400
apologize

1616
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,240
um in we will

1617
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,760
maybe i'll do a show tomorrow i think

1618
01:07:03,750 --> 01:06:51,680
i'm going to do a show tomorrow maybe

1619
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:14,789
i am witness citizen